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miklaszewski, nbc news, pentagon. >>> back here at home, fiscal cliff negotiations in washington are still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend break. this as timothy geithner says the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with
that means? we're one day closer to the dreaded fiscal cliff and washington is freezing over. >>> the fiscal cliff is coming to town. >> he says he's an optimist. >> i remain optimistic. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town. >> but he doesn't sound optimistic. >> i'm pretty confident republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage. >> we've got differences. >> taxes are going up one way or the other. >> the president and i had a deliberate talk. >> the key is to make sure the taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. >> they're going to have to cave in on this rate increase on the rich. >> we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve. >> the time is running short. >> merry cliffmas. ♪ >>> bundle up, everybody. because it is cold out there. and with just 12 days to hanging our stockings by the chimney and 20 days until the dreaded fiscal cliff, there's a distinct chill in the air. after the exchange of new offers, the president phones john boehner last night for one what aide described as a tense call. the speaker today
's promise of post-revolution democracy. >>> back here at home, as the fiscal cliff standoff continues in washington, the president took his plan out of town to northern virginia, where he sat down with a middle class family to talk about the potential impact they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with the details from washington. tracie, good morning to you. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. the white house has been all over social media with this one, asking what would happen if your family had to pay another $2,200 next year in taxes? 100,000 people responded, including that northern virginia family that the president met with yesterday. they said $2,200 for them is a couple months' rent. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: the other big issue here on capitol hill, raising the debt limit. the president wants a new authority. mitch mcconnell filibustered his own bill. t
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will depart washington in february, but not before weighing in on the fiscal cliff. welcome back. >> thank you. >> congressman, let me start just a question to both of you. would you describe yourself as disappointed, bitter, upset? how would you describe your post-election feelings? >> i don't know if i'm angry, disappointed. any of those things. new chapter in life. i wish i would have won, but that didn't happen. the voters made a different decision. i'm still very passionate about the things that brought me to the congress in the first place and i hope to continue to stay in that fight. so, i don't have any of those emotions of feeling like a negative feeling at all. >> are you in the same place? you were in a very close race. >> i guess a little bit different. the number one take away is the absolute privilege of being able to serve the 14 years that i served you can't help but look back and be really appreciatative that i had the opportunity to be here and make my mark. no doubt there is a grieving period when you lose an election, but i worked quickly through that point and very excited
in nature. then again, it could look like fiscal cliff part two. washington is washington, after all. telemundo jose diaz bullart lends his intelligence and wit to an increasingy horny topic. jose, it's wonderful to see you, as always. >> thank you, alex. what a pleasure. pleasure to see you. you know, it's interesting, alex. the folks that love -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> oh, i was just going to say there has been this sense that everyone was going to settle under a rainbow and sit at the pot of gold and come up with comprehensive immigration reform, but now we are starting to see some fractures, some discussion that certain elements of the republican party are not going to be okay with a comprehensive immigration reform package. where do you stand on this? do you think that -- >> it's interesting. do think the process helped the gop among latino voters? >> no. no. it's interesting, alex, because the same people that love a tax amnesty hate apparently citizenship possibilities for 11 million people that have been here for many years. many of them have children and grandchildren born
take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of the governor's comments were kind of orwelian to suggest this was a pro-worker move. it's clearly a move that may help businesses, but what a kick in the teeth to autoworkers unions, who as you correctly point d out, gave a lot back to help the auto industry get back on its feet, the notion that we had to do this now with
around washington, d.c., and he does have a point. so if the fiscal cliff talks were happening in texas, there would be lots of talk of the two-step, but they are not. former president clinton describing the negotiations as a different kind of dance. it's a kabuki dance, sort of like two dogs that meet each other through a piece of meat. sniffing each other out. they're moving towards a deal. that's what's going on. clinton is optimistic a deal will be reached. ♪ >> and start using those precious social media skills -- >> it's all about gangnam style for former senator alan simpson. that's how he's trying to get his message out about the fiscal cliff. he explained why this morning on "today". take a look. >> i thought the guy said pretending you're riding a horse and lassoing steer. let me tell you, you have to reach young people. >> it's hard to read when you're coughing and laughing all at the same time. it's problematic, people. so, from alan simpson to the animated simpsons, mr. montgomery burns explains the fiscal cliff. >> think of the even xhooe econd the ri as a car. if you do
. ? in washington, closed door meetings with the president and john boehner. >>> in the midwest, the fiscal cliff is the latest thing on people's minds as the first blizzard of the winter brings the region to a halt, highways closed and scores of flights canceled. that story is just ahead. >>> first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at "30 rock" in new york city. well, we begin with the new urgency in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days, three weeks to reach a deal. today president obama returns to campaign mode taking the fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house, their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. so what happened? well, neither side revealed anything about the meetings, only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking commission said his party should consider the president's idea of raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a gr
that in washington on the fiscal cliff, too. >> let me -- last question for you, suppose the republicans, they don't like the uaw's liberal point of view on politics. >> none of our dues dollars goes to -- very, very little. we raise our money for politics through voluntary contributions. the money that members pay in dues goes to pay for the representation they get. >> okay. well said. let me go to mr. hagerstrom. same tough questions. why are republicans and your organization against unions, because this is pretty much a union gutting operation. you would like to see -- you work for the koch brothers. they don't like unions. why are you working for them? >> you know, i work for americans for prosperity. this is not about the koch brothers. this is about freedom for -- >> who is paying your salary? >> i work for americans for prosperity -- >> who is paying your salary? >> americans for prosperity. i came here to talk about the policy and -- >> who is paying your salary to do it? who is paying your salary to do what you're doing right now? >> i just told you. americans for prosperity. >> what is t
there of the business roundtable, the president just getting into the meat of the matter right now, the fiscal cliff issue that's taking a lot of the oxygen out of the room in washington, d.c. i understand we have the shot back up. let's go back to the president. no audio right now? can we show the president? he's actually taken to holding a hand mike so hopefully they'll get the audio issue figured out but we have congressman debbie wasserman schultz 1257bing by, the chair of the dnc and was listening like all of us were to the president and hopefully we'll get the audio issue revolved. congresswoman, good to have you with us. >> thanks, thomas. >> just as we were about to hear what the president was saying with regards to what's taking place in washington, d.c., with you and your colleagues we lost the audio. the vitriol is well established on both sides. the president and john boehner have reportedly not even taken time to speak to each other when face-to-face yesterday at a white house christmas event but it seems both sides can agree that the sky is blue on the one issue when keeping tax cuts w
on lawmakers as they try to hammer out a deal on the fiscal cliff before the holiday recess. >>> new details on a navy s.e.a.l. who died during a daring mission in afghanistan. >>> plus, a fireball over texas, and more dogs behind the wheel. good morning, even. i'm lynn berry. there is a renewed sense urgency in washington as house members returned to town today with just 21 days left to avert that so-called fiscal cliff, and if the framework for an agreement isn't reached by the end of the week, lawmakers could be spending christmas in d.c. tracie potts has those good morning. >>> the president sitting down with john boehner, the staff sitting behind closed door, but today republican members come back to capitol hill and boehner may have a problem. >> all these members are going to come back to town, and they're going to want to play a role in these negotiations. >> the house is back today. that means conservative republicans who insist the wealthy keep this year's tax breaks could put the squeeze on their own party. that's the one thing president obama refuses to bend on. otherwise he says
, that's it from the brink and the fiscal cliff is coming quickly at us. it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging the gop to pass tax cuts for the middle class by christmas? >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal but time is running short. >> right to work is wrong! >>> our other story developing in michigan today, where labor unions are considering a large scale counter offensive. the home of the uaw is now the first blue right to work state after a pair of bills were signed into law by governor rick snyder who appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" today. >> i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with
takeover. the back and forth fiscal cliff on capitol hill has sounded more like a washington stage production of war of the world's. the myan calendar may have been correct after all. right on time, congressional republicans are crafting a doomsday scenario for the fiscal cliff. it would allow a vote on extending only the bush middle class tax cuts and nothing elseings, effectively slamming the ball into the president's court for a new year's showdown on the debt ceiling. no compromise on extending unemployment or altering the tax code for those loopholes or raising fed reral revenues. politicians are allowed to thrive off of our democratic life blood. what is missing in light of this january 1st manufactured deadline? any talk of the very real physical foibles in our country. we have chosen to ignore the ways policies have created a governor for and by the entity. when republicans or democrats asked for top earners to pay their fair share, both sides are still ignoring it sources of the fiscal crisis. when so many americans do not make a living wage, the economy cannot recover nor
all business today in washington, sitting down for a business roundtable, about the fiscal cliff, it's all part of an effort to keep the heat on republicans to cave on tax hikes for the wealthy in order to reach a deal but congressman boehner saying the person the president needs to be talking to is him, and doing so face-to-face, so who is standing in the way of compromise? we have a line-up of guests, debbie wasserman schultz, senator ben carden of maryland and former oklahoma congressman j.c. watts who is also being touted to take up a new job, rnc chairman, plus live coverage of the president's remarks straight ahe ahead. plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events i
deficit and on the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is where the rubber meets the road. this is where it's actually happening at the state level. at the local level. this is where all of that money that was released into the political system by citizens united is actually now paying off. >> yeah, and that is what's frightening nationwide because citizen's united opens the door everywhere. and we're seeing them searching for a model on how to do this. that is why even the detroit free press, in an editorial, and, again, this is a paper that had endorsed governor snyder two years ago. it says the right to work champions, the determination to emasculate once and for all the democratic parties most reliable source of financial and organizational support. now, senator, let me say this to you. if they can get away with it in michigan, michigan has 671,000 union members, 17.5% of the work force, fifth highest in the nation. if they can get away with it in michigan, they feel they can just steam roll all over the country. >> i think everyone should be worried what happens in michigan tomorrow an
understand we need to sit down and work together and avoid this fiscal cliff. >> debbie, always a pleasure. good to see you. let's bring in lori montgomery for "the washington post," democratic strategy blake zeff. we decided to focus on this today. lori, let me start with you. both house leaders today, it really seems as if talks are -- it seems they're at a standstill, but our first read team is convinced a deal is in sight. we heard from debbie wasserman schultz she heard a deal is in sight. what are you hearing? >> you can see what the framework of a deal is, and i think today you heard speaker boehner. his office tried to walk it back, but for the first time he made public remarks where he didn't rule out an increase in tax rates. you have to wonder if they don't start to move towards a resolution it to what has been the big stumbling point. >> zachary, she mentioned an increase in rates. it would seem that the magic number might be 37%. the president said 39.5% for the highest income earners. right now we're at 35%. maybe i'm oversimplifying, but the obvious compromise would be right
in the middle east and change the dynamics of everything in washington. trust us on this including the fiscal cliff. >>> well, driving a hard bargain, president obama heads to the motor city and in the middle of a union fight. i have a former governor of michigan here. plus, we'll talk fiscal cliff and debt ceiling with him. plus, one hatch of simpson-bowles. the erskine bowles half. the less dancing of the duo. why former chief of staff is growing more optimistic we'll be able to get a deal before the cliff dive. by the way, will he take a job in president obama's cabinet? i'll have that answer straight ahead. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. you can see it's michigan with the lunch time remarks. back to the white house before 5:00. [ male announcer ] when ziggy the cat appeared at their door, he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver. for a love this strong, his family only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein... ...to help keep
"/abc poll of handling of fiscal cliff negotiations, obama, 47% approve, 46% disapprove. boehner, 24% approve. 54% disapprove. i would say, the republican party continues to have a branding problem. >> there is. >> or a disintegrating problem in washington. >> it is a branding problem that was born of chaos in the primary process that continues. there is a great "politico" article that actually talks about the republican problem with branding. and talks about -- >> it's a great piece. >> have you seen this? >> yeah. >> the republican party has a branding problem. these are researchers that say -- we asked 22, 23 different topics, whether americans related more to the democratic party or the republican party. 22 of the 23, they appeal more to democrats. >> yeah. >> it is a generalized, massive branding problem over what's happened nationally over the past year. >> except in the south. >> the piece, in part, points out that unlike people who sit around here, most people, normal people out there in america react emotionally to politics when they hear phrases, they react emotionally. does this re
. >>> meanwhile, back in washington, with just over three weeks left to make a deal on the fiscal cliff, both sides out with new statents today. and on the surface, they still sound far apart. president obama this morning saying he's going to insist on raising taxes on the wealthiest americans no matter what. >> if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, republican senator marco rubio gave the weekly republican address today. part of his message? the tax rate should not go up on anyone including the top 2%. >> we must reform our complicated, uncertain, job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes. >> joining me, author of "the escape artists: how obama's
couples. that follows the legalization of marijuana in colorado and washington and a fiscal cliff battle up to the majority of americans calling for higher taxes on the rich. joining me now for strategy talk, karen finney, msnbc political analyst and former dnc communications director and chip saltsman, republican strategist and former manager of mike huckabee's presidential campaign. welcome. you look resplend end in purple, karen. are we experiencing a liberalization of america? if so what is the catalyst? >> if you take a look at both the issue landscape and the exit polling from the most recent election, i think it gives you kind of a road map as to what's going on here. i mean, we are a more diverse country. we have more diverse backgrounds and interests. we did see sort of the issue landscape with regard to the exit polling showing that people's opinions are changing on a lot of these issues. look at the millennial generation. they are far more tolerant generation, far more diverse generation. i think what this reflects is those same kind of demographic shifts that we saw manifest
politics, the fiscal cliff. are we ever going to be able to enjoy a holiday season in washington? joining me for a look at the week that was, susan page, "usa today's" washington bureau craze, chris freights, congressional correspondent for the national journal and the white house correspondent for npr. thanks to all of you. susan, first to you, you've been watching all the body language from the speaker and the president. now at least they're in direct talks. could we get the grand bargain that was aborted a year ago? >> i'm not sure we're going to get the grand bargain, the one with the big pieces that kind of get us on a path so we don't have to revisit these issues in this way, but i think it looks more likely we're going to get a deal that will prevent us from going off the fiscal cliff and probably going to be a deal that the white house will be happy with. i think it's increasingly clear that the white house has the upper hand, they're better off if -- they're better off than republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. they have leverage from the campaign. that's the directionion -
that so-called fiscal cliff. in our new nbc news/wall street journal poll just out for us today, most americans say they want compromise. joining me here for our daily fix, chris, msnbc contributor and managing editor of postpolitics.com. the fiscal cliff, the people that we polled, americans get it. they want, two-thirds of them, 65% say they want a deal to be done. they want compromises even if it means targeted entitlement cuts and tax increases. >> yeah, and i don't think we should be terribly surprised by that, andrea. the truth of the matter is over the last decade or so what we've seen is congress, really, because of redistricting and other things like that, members of congress don't tend to have to represent the middle of the country. they wind up representing their two-party bases, the people that deeply disagree. democratic base does not want entitlement cuts, republican base does not want to raise taxes. but people in general like the idea congress can get something done on something big. now, i would say there's a little bit of devil in the details. the question does ask a
. >> there you go. it's my fiscal cliff helmet down here in washington. >> oh, understood. >> i love it. let's go through the list. not surprising who is number one? >> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the list even when he wasn't president because we all know who was still running the show then. he's back up there with a bullet. he's been as high as two on this list. here is somebody who has a u.n. security council permanency, controls a huge oil and gas reserve, has a nuclear tipped army and wields his power very effectively. >> and loves to show his muscles. many times as possible. >> powerful in many ways. that's right. >> of late bill gates has been the rodney dangerfield
. perhapsly have resolved the whole fiscal cliff thing in the meantime. >> excellent. >> president obama is taking his great reasonableness tour on the road again, but before the president presses his case in michigan, he and speaker boehner hold a closed-door our lips are sealed meeting on the fiscal cliff. are the seas slowly parting for compromise? we will ask michael steele, jonathan tate, and margaret carlson. plus, sweeping historic legislation from the white house or hair-tugging small ball congressional battle? what shape will immigration reform take? we will ask jose diaz ballart. >>> the supreme court gears up for laned mark term for some rights. we will look at the high court's high-low options in deciding the future of same-sex marriage. all that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't treat that. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ breathes deeply ] awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is. that's the cold truth! i just finished a bowl of your new light c
the deadlock over the fiscal cliff. take a listen. >> it's groundhog day. who's playing bill murray? and i mean, such a repetition. it's the same players at the same seats at the table with same doctrine and so, you know, where this goes -- i think anyone who thinks they know is wrong. >> so what does your gut tell you? anyone who thinks they know where this is going is wrong. go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast that vote. that does it for this edition of "news nation." see you tomorrow. "the cycle" is up next. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. i am the ghost of cookies past. residue. so gross. well you didn't use new pam, so it looks like you're "stuck" with me. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray leaves annoying residue. that's why there's new pam. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. >>> lauren wanted to int
-known washington watering hole. they're clearly neither shaken nor stirred by the fiscal cliff. joining us is congresswoman jan chakowski from illinois. >> good afternoon. >> can i thank you for remaining at work given the urgency of the situation. speaker boehner says raising tax rates on the top 2% is unacceptable without serious entitlement reform. and a few hours ago nancy pelosi wondered what exactly he had in mind. take a listen. >> what are we talking about here? what are we talking about when we say restructure entitlements? what does restructure mean? destroy, wither on the vine, voucherize, or does it mean let's work together to make these stronger? >> now, given that speaker boehner doesn't tell us anything, are you able to give us any specific examples of what democrats may be prepared to concede in terms of earned entitlements? >> well, i am not willing to say that we cut benefits at all because we can, in fact, make medicare more cost-effective and bring down health care costs without cutting benefits. we did that, and the republicans hit us over the head with it. you remembe
, that's how long our leaders in washington have left to figure out what to do about the so-called fiscal cliff. the latest on the negotiations and ha it means for both sides political capital. that's straight ahead. >>> plus washington state's same-sex marriage law took effect at midnight and couples tied the knot just as soon as they could we'll talk about what might happen when the supreme court weighs in. >>> plus, all indications are, that congress is gearing up for a revamping of the nation's immigration laws. what that will mean for the gop and its right wing. first, though, with just over three weeks left to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. lawmakers from both sides hit the sunday shows to late out the latest battle lines in the fight. on "meet the press," the number three house republican reiterated that any new revenues should come from closing loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem. if the president is asking for higher rates, he's asking for more revenue. most economists agree the best way to get that is thr
for republicans going forward. our fiscal cliff-mas gift today alan smith gets down gangnam style. what the senator is saying about the video that's gone viral watching the daily rundown only on msnbc. u see this? oh, let me guess -- more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. restore revive rejuvenate rebuild rebuild rebuild when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a res
, will be the fault of republicans and it is in fact easier for democrats to go over the fiscal cliff than it is for republicans because then all those tax cuts from the republicans are swept away. but it's too early. it's only december 6. we've got until december 31st and in washington that's a long time. >> a lifetime. you wrote yesterday the republicans are waving a white flag as big as a bed sheet. you wrote "right now bain ser hoping to lead his fractious gop to an orderly surrender. the question is no longer whether republicans will give on taxes, they already have. all that remains to be be negotiated is how they will increase taxes. s so what's the likely scenario as you see it now? >> the fact they have surrendered, saying we're offering up an $800 billion tax increase, that's a big deal but it doesn't save us from the fiscal cliff. as susan was suggesting, there's a long time to go between now and the 31st. they have to wait until that long because neither side wants to appear to be giving in too early. that means they've given away more than they had to. you've got the president
administration may be ready to include these in a fiscal cliff deal with republicans. whatever negotiations are taking place between the president and speaker john boehner, whatever each side is prepared to give up a a level of security. it's totally possible the white house actually has no intent on messing with medicare or social security benefits. but for the left the chatter is ominous. it's coming from well sourced reporters and we've been down this road before. the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and mayb
and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the radio show that you have that's syndicated in cities and states. what do you make of the president picking up where he left off so often going straight to the folks at snoem. >> he is really mained a full court press that began in the campaign season and never ended after election day and i think that two-prong attack you reference is good politics and seems to be working in large part because there's a vacuum within the republican party or on the right generally. you could say speaker boehner is the head now for negotiation purposes but i don't think anybody is really the president's equal in this dynamic and he's exploiting that to great advantage. >> let me bring you in on this, david. last week we discussed this, as well. the first read team pointed out we see a small deal, if you will, addressing the tax rate and then th
with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%. better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the ba
" , sue davis, all your fiscal cliff news. >> always knows the hill as well as anybody. that's it for this edition. tomorrow on the show, all the results from our first post-election nbc/"wall street journal" poll. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. with the simmons family. how much is your current phone bill? four sixteen seventy six a month! okay, come with me -- we're gonna save you money. with straight talk at walmart, you get unlimited talk, text and data for only $45 a month per phone. would we get the same coverage? same coverage on america's best networks. you saved $146.76 by switching to straight talk. awesome! now you can afford to share your allowance with me. get the season's hottest smartphones like the samsung galaxy s2 and get straight talk with unlimited data for just $45 a month -- from america's gift headquarters. walmart. ♪ ♪ boo! i am the ghost of meals past. when you don't use new pam, this is what you get. residue. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray leaves annoying residue. that's why there's new pam. but when i was in an accident
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of a p perpetual fiscal cliff and using the debt ceiling to force concessions. they, you know, used cliche they kicked the can down the road to the super committee and that blew up and now this and talk of a two-prong solution and then dealing with entitlements next year. it does seem like we just keep making, you know, small incremental decisions and then putting off somethingç bigger r six months, a year, 18 months. when will the insanity stop on this? >> yeah. i mean, the thing is -- >> 300 calories! >> stop the insanity! >> that was -- that was susan powter. i knew we talked about it before the show and didn't know we would play it. when will we listen and stop the insanity? feel free to answer. >> yeah. look. you know, it's a real dynamic in place where it takes the horrible things to happen, a risk of a recession, of a debt ceiling, you know, defaulting on u.s. debt, it takes the really dramatic things to force action but it gets back to the issue of where are the power levers and the forcing mechanisms to make the government deal with the deficit? that's not coming from the
automatic tax increases and spending cuts will send the economy over the fiscal cliff, and around the capitol there's largely the sound of silence as the white house and congress try to work out a deal behind closed doors. the president has no public events on his schedule. and all through the house, not a creature was stirring except, that is, for john boehner, who emerged to gavel the house into session this afternoon after a week's recess with his trademark holiday cheer. >> washington has a spending problem. now, the president doesn't agree with our approach. he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> i'm sorry, i meant his trademark ba ham bug which he's been doling out by the sleigh load. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we've got to cut spending. washington has got a spending problem. just more of the same. >> more of the same indeed. a
of the discussions of the fiscal cliff, the white house is focused solely on cuts for top earners. almost no discussion of unemployment insurance and payroll taxes, the farm bill which would include the price of milk and food stamps on a broader level. at what point do these become sticking points in the negotiation? >> reporter: they're going to become sticking points and probably before the end of the year, because remember there are a couple of things going on. if the president gets a deal on rates, republicans are going to be less inclined to go along with some of the other things, like extended unemployment insurance and some sort of extension perhaps in different form of the payroll tax cut. but also to avoid the sequestration, the congress has got to find some way to have cuts in the interim. if they kick the can down the road they have to have month by month cuts. the farm bill, talking $10 billion a month to in effect buy off the sequestration while they negotiate, the farm bill if you take the senate bill, $23 billion in subsidies cut overall, $4 billion as mentioned from food s
to believe i'm in new york city when i'm even here for a few hours. i'm kidding, guys. the fiscal cliff cloud is lingering. here it comes, i know. defending new york city. in your three-block view. the president used last night's national christmas tree light to go remind everyone the holiday season is for merry times. >> the tree has one message, it's christmastime, not disaster time. >> within their three block radius. our friday gaggle who are all bashing me, republican strategist, former adviser to chris christie, maggie, who is the defender of new york city, senior political reporter for politico, ann reid. >> morning, brooklyn. just saying. >> she is a floridian. that's why i allow you on. come on, now. managing editor of the grio.com. fiscal cliff. mike, i want to start with you. it does seem as if there are three groups of republican thought, right? you have the conservatives saying, you know, don't relent on this. upset jim demint was critical of john boehner the day before he left the senate saying i can't believe you agreed 0 to any tax relief, where the house is trying to configur
week republicans made a serious offer to avert the fiscal cliff, and most of it was based on testimony given last year by president clinton's former chief of staff erskine bolles. as he said on sunday, we have to cut spending. well, he is right. washington has a spending problem. let's be honest, we're broke, and the plan that we've offered is consistent with the president's call for a balanced approach. a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not physicianing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many s
about the poor. not in these campaigns. >>> coming up next with just 24 days to go until the fiscal cliff deadline, speaker john boehner wants negotiations to be just between him and the president. will this be washington's last hope? i'm getting a deal done. keep it here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a month. open enrollment ends december 7th. so call today or visit your local walgreens. sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business ear
the fiscal cliff. they can't agree on which path to take to get there. >>> i don't think republicans or americans want to raise any taxes just to continue this spending in washington. they want a more efficient and more accountable. what we are saying is we need to do what ronald reagan did with tip o'neill, show the leadership to get in the room. same as bill clinton did with newt gingrich. get in the room and make the changes that are needed. >> the president wants to solve the problem. it's what he said in the campaign. it's what he's saying now. we cannot lurch from one crisis to the other. think of all the times tea party republicans and speaker boehner threatened to shut down the government over the debt ceiling. listen, if we are going to have this certainty for businesses to invest and know new jobs are being created we have to get this behind us. >> joining me now, dana millbank and kristina. it's great to have you both here. bob corker said the idea of raising taxes on the top 2% has merit. the question is how much merit it has with speaker boehner and the republican party.
're in the same place. >> top of the hour. i think we might be. >> i think it's much worse. >> the fiscal cliff which the republicans voted for and the 2%. but we'll get there. best-selling author jon meacham is still with us. along with "the washington post's" david ignatius in washington and former director of the office for budget, vice chairman of global banking at citibank and adjunct -- good lord, seriously. >> you've got more titles than mark mckinnon. we've got peter orzsag. >> from "time" rana faroohar is here. >> the frito-lay. >> so peter, we have a lot to talk about. first of all, explain what's going on. you see the two sides lobbying, these rhetorical missiles past these other while john boehner and president obama are calmly, quietly, privately speaking. what's going on? is that for the base? who is that far? >> well, yeah. first, look, if we had a deal on december 10th, both bases would say you're nuts, you gave too much. it's not surprising that it hasn't come together. i think the big concern at this point is you can see a deal coming together on taxes. >> on taxes, right. >>
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